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Nikkei confirms DVD2 is under development

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Deadmeat

Jun 3, 2008 - CDT 3:01 PM
Deadmeat
Member since:
March 2008
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20080428/151136/?P=2

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In the second half of 2007, Microsoft made two moves designed to promote the adoption of HDi even in sectors other than HD DVD. The first was to establish the Advanced Interactivity Consortium, an HDi promotion body, together with Toshiba, US film companies and other interested parties. The second was to launch the WG12 working group within the DVD Forum to investigate network applications for optical discs. Details are scarce on WG12, but a participant in the DVD Forum did say they appear to be considering implementing HDi in DVD players.

Toshiba, which worked with Microsoft in the HD DVD business, is looking for a way to leverage HDi in network services. At the press conference announcing the termination of HD DVD, Toshiba's Nishida said the firm is "...investigating the potential for new business utilizing the technologies jointly developed with partner firms." One possible business would be implementing HDi in the firm's DVD recorders to make possible distribution services.

The goal of DVD Forum WG-12 is clear now, it is indeed the DVD2 project group.

DVD Forum WG-12 :
Mission : Implementation of HDi interactivity, managed copy, and networking on DVD
Chair Company : Toshiba
Lead Companies : Microsoft, Panasonic

Falcon01

Jun 3, 2008 - CDT 3:29 PM
Falcon01
Member since:
July 2006
So let me understand this concept.

1) DVD's will have to be re-released again with HDi on them at a price that I'm assuming is going to be more expensive than current DVD's.
2) You have to buy a new DVD player with network capabilities to enjoy these new interactive features.

What was it that Bilbo Baggins says in Fellowship of the Ring? Something about feeling like butter being spread over too much bread. Sounds like what they're trying to do with DVD.

Let's just move on to hidef shall we. Also, let's not forget you won't be getting the folowing high definition audio formats with "DVD-2"...Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD, DTS HD MA, lossless LPCM 5.1 or 7.1, etc.

Deadmeat

Jun 3, 2008 - CDT 3:37 PM
Deadmeat
Member since:
March 2008
So let me understand this concept.

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1) DVD's will have to be re-released again with HDi on them at a price that I'm assuming is going to be more expensive than current DVD's.

Authoring cost is nothing at DVD's volume. We are talking tens of millions of copies.

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2) You have to buy a new DVD player with network capabilities to enjoy these new interactive features.

Yes and no.

DVD2 will certainly play on Xbox 360, which has 2.5 times the installed base of PS3 in the US. That's a ready-made potential userbase of 10 million homes.

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Also, let's not forget you won't be getting the folowing high definition audio formats with "DVD-2"...Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD, DTS HD MA, lossless LPCM 5.1 or 7.1, etc.

Most people don't have set up to enjoy DVD DTS, much less all the latest codecs.

InvisibleBiker

Jun 4, 2008 - CDT 8:57 AM
says... "It's just like Santa's workshop! Except it smells like mushrooms...and everyone looks like they wanna hurt me."
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InvisibleBiker
Member since:
October 2007
Hey Falcon I am sure glad that someone else is seeing that WE the consumer are being treated like a bunch of test dummies. I will say it again, WE had a GREAT product in HD DVD and now they want to shove DVD2 up our arse. I am sticking to my guns, when I feel the time is right, I will turn over to Blu Ray. Shame on everyone (TOSHIBA) who is developing DVD2.

mikemorel

Jun 4, 2008 - CDT 11:01 AM
mikemorel
Member since:
June 2008
Toshiba looking to get high-def out of standard DVDs

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June 3, 2008, 4:44 PM

Despite its exit from the next-generation DVD race, the one-time champion of HD DVD is not giving up on the promise of high definition on optical disc. Rather, it seems to be working to improve standard DVDs.

Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida has said that his company has no plans to market optical disc players compatible with Blu-ray, according to a citation that appeared last week in Japan's Daily Yomiuri.

Instead, it now appears Toshiba will look to bring to market players that include new firmware that would include codecs or other processes capable of upconverting the images to high-definition quality. This player would arrive in retail channels by the end of the year.

Unresolved questions are numerous, including how this new player would differ from current upconverting models, which have seemed to gain traction as a lower-cost alternative to both the now defunct HD DVD and Blu-ray. Toshiba already offers a line of upconverting DVD consoles with both 720p and 1080p capability, the latest model of which premiered just last March, and which Amazon.com currently sells for about $73.

It would be inaccurate to say Toshiba is planning another "Blu-ray killer," as some have speculated, though it's conceivable it could use its newly patented technology to stretch the boundaries of red-laser DVD capacity at some future date.

Years ago, engineers speculated that standard DVDs would only be capable of storing 20 minutes of high-resolution video. Since that time, codecs have certainly improved, but not to the point where a full movie in 1080p could be stored on a single DVD.

But there's evidence today that Toshiba has been exploring ways to stretch those boundaries.Just yesterday, Toshiba was awarded a US patent that looks to improve the standard DVD itself.

According to the patent, the new technology would allow for multiple recordable layers, adding "two or more" layers per side. Adding parallel heads to read these recording layers, the patent suggests, could actually eliminate crosstalk between layers, which is a perennial problem encountered by previous attempts to achieve higher capacity red-laser discs.

A future Toshiba console could combine this multi-layer technology with the new system firmware alluded to in the Daily Yomiuri report, though probably not by the end of this year.

In any case, with Sony's continuing resistance to bring down the price of Blu-ray players to levels that the average consumer can afford, there may indeed be an opportunity for Toshiba to sneak in and cannibalize Blu-ray manufacturers' sales, if Toshiba's new technology works as advertised.

So far, no further comment has been made available by Toshiba. If the company did have anything more to say, now would be the week to say it, with the big Computex show in Taipei going on this week.

[Post edited by mikemorel on Jun 4, 2008 - CDT 11:06 AM]

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