Wall-e...Fresh!

As of 06/25/08 5:16 PM, Wall-e has an 83% at RT...and "rotten" review is by a guy who said:

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Visually resplendent but just drags too much at times.

I remember seeing this back in the 80s. Steve Gutenberg, Ally Sheedy, and Johnny Five. Man, I feel old.

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I remember seeing this back in the 80s.

Hey, we just watched that 2 weeks ago!

I'm looking forward to Wall-e actually.

I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired of all these damn CG cartoons.

Hey mvckalel, that one bad review already has 52 comments. Check them out, some are really funny! I don't go to the theater often, in fact not this year yet. But this will be the first one to get me out.

I wonder if the creators of Short-Circuit are planning to sue...

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I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired of all these damn CG cartoons.

why, as they look so damned good on blu-ray

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[Post edited by rottenvegetable on Jun 25, 2008]

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I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired of all these damn CG cartoons.

Not it. I'm actually quite looking forward to Wall-E.

The only bad part is I traded an early screening of Hancock (tomorrow night) for Wall-E. Now I have to wait until July 4 weekend.

Jason, did he get a good deal?

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I wonder if the creators of Short-Circuit are planning to sue...

Other than the premise of a robot developing anthropomorphic aspects, aparently the two movies have nothing else in common. And there have been about 1,000 movies having a robot developing "free will", and another 10,000 sci-fi books. So really, I don't know what your point is. This looks to be worth watching IMO, but I'll give my real opinion soon after I've seen it first hand.

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I wonder if the creators of Short-Circuit are planning to sue...

NUMBER 5, IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!

Yes, I did read a few posts, like the one saying he liked Speed Racer and some other movie...and no, I don't think it's a ripoff of any other "robot" movie...

And it wouldn't sound good to say "I'm tired of all these CG movies", when we are getting swamped with MORE superhero movies than ever...ironic...

Oh, Jason, Hancock was NOT a smart move, sorry dude...

Well...what can I say? Free tickets less than 10 miles from work. Coupled with July 4th plans going out the window, thanks to my sister...

Wall-E will be next weekend definitely, though. And I expect to be targeted by certain people around the 'net like I was for last year's Ratatouille.

Oh well.

Jason, thick skinned

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And I expect to be targeted by certain people around the 'net like I was for last year's Ratatouille.

What was wrong with Ratatouille?

I found absolutely nothing wrong with Ratatouille. But there was one message board in particular who chided me for finding it funny, among other things. If you do a google on my name, you'll find it.

Hey, it was in my top 10 of 2007.

Jason, yes he gets THAT bored...

You don't think it's a ripoff of another "robot" movie? How can you say that when Wall*E is the spitting image of Johnny*5?

The problem with Ratatouille is it didn't have this guy as the star:



It should have been Skunkatouille!

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You don't think it's a ripoff of another "robot" movie? How can you say that when Wall*E is the spitting image of Johnny*5?

I was saying this over a month ago! Go google the movie "Silent Running" and have a look at those robots. They stole the overall size, and some other subtle things, of Wall*E from that movie!

Are we still arguing the Johnny 5 issue?

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Go google the movie "Silent Running" and have a look at those robots. They stole the overall size, and some other subtle things, of Wall*E from that movie

Bull crap!!! None of the Silent Running robots could compact trash! All 3 were plant watering hippie-bots.

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Are we still arguing the Johnny 5 issue?

Not arguing anything. You just said that Wall*E isn't a ripoff of any "robot" movies, and I am merely just pointing out that it clearly is. Why couldn't Pixar come up with their own design? I'm not the only person that has noticed this, either. I just think it's really lame that such an imaginative company has to steal ideas.

There was an interesting article in yesterday's San Francisco "Chronicle" about the inspiration for "WALL-E."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/25/DDEN11CQ3M.DTL&hw=WALL&sn=002&sc=707

In the article, the Pixar folks admit they were inspired by any number of things to create their movie. They say the robot itself is partly patterned after the ones in the movies you've already referenced, as well as on a pair on binoculars the director was using at a baseball game a few years earlier. The city WALL-E cleans up looks vaguely like San Francisco, the big dept. store is a shopping mall near the Pixar studios in Emeryville (across the Bay from San Francisco and very near Berkeley), the windmills are probably patterned after ones on the Altamont Pass (just south-east of the Bay Area), although the Pixar people were a little vague on that, etc.

It's always fun to watch a Pixar film and wonder from what part of Northern California they drew their inspiration (the inside of the kitchen in "Ratatouille" they modeled on a restaurant called the French Laundry in the Napa Valley).

John

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It's always fun to watch a Pixar film and wonder from what part of Northern California they drew their inspiration (the inside of the kitchen in "Ratatouille" they modeled on a restaurant called the French Laundry in the Napa Valley).

Well, you have to admit "Cars" was all about Arizona, my neck of the woods.

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Well, you have to admit "Cars" was all about Arizona, my neck of the woods

Dammit! If Tim's from AZ, there is no way I can EVER move there. The state ain't big enough for the two of us!

Jason,

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Dammit! If Tim's from AZ, there is no way I can EVER move there. The state ain't big enough for the two of us!

Awe, come on! It's a BIG state with plenty of jobs to go around -- Phoenix being one of the fastest growning cities over the past ten-years. And overly hot summers? Forgetaboutit! You run from one air-conditioned place to the next, you'll never notice the 110dg. outside. The BIG bonus is you'll never have to experience wearing five layers of clothing ever again or scraping ice off your windshild.

Tim, point me in the direction of a job I want and I'll be there by Labor Day. (Gots to give the current boss some notice, ya know...) Mesa, Phoenix, Tucson, I don't care where really.

It's the job part that's always the kicker, tho.

Jason, houseboy?

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It's the job part that's always the kicker, tho.

Yes it is, but what's your profession?

Have you ever heard of http://www.indeed.com ? Best job search engine on the web. It's much like dogpile.com where it combines all the job sites, and their results, into one big search engine.

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[Post edited by Tim Raynor on Jun 26, 2008]

So now are we going to start listing all the movies that have characters or settings or anything else inspired in other movies or other work of art??

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So now are we going to start listing all the movies that have characters or settings or anything else inspired in other movies or other work of art??

I think people tend to bring it out in the open when it's so obvious. Kind of like "Maroon 5" sounds a lot like old songs "The Police" used to do. Nevertheless, there is the flip side to that coin and that is when certain elements are opposite to what they are inspired from. Take "Godzilla" (American version) for example, the American Godzilla looks nothing like the Japanese version and there literally were people all pissy about it. It's a double edge sword nomatter how you sum it up.

I really thought Cloverfield was a new spin on Godzilla. I was totally waiting for some other monster to show up and beat his you know what. :p

Ok...so who wins...Godzilla or King Kong? THINK ABOUT IT. I say Godzilla just cause he's WAY bigger but you never know.

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[Post edited by Falcon01 on Jun 26, 2008]

So we're going to see WALL-E tomorrow evening and fight the crowds (grrrr), but the wife and kids want to see the opening. So I'll post my impressions after I see it. It's now got a 97% fresh rating, so it can't be all bad.

Looks to be good fun.

Don't miss our video featurette from the movie.

My ladyfriend and I got free tix from the best buy deal. We had to buy The Little Mermaid and the Pixar Shorts, which btw are kick ass.

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[Post edited by richiro33 on Jun 27, 2008]

I'm waiting on getting a PS3 to buy those Pixar shorts on blu-ray...

Blu ray is definately the way to go, I paid 29.99 and I got a free Wall-e ticket, which is worth 9 bucks where im goin.

Same here, $9 for the best theater around, Carmike...

We just came back from WALL-E.

I'm afraid I can't give it the kind of praise that 98% of the rotten tomatoes reviewers do. Although we all enjoyed it, I found it a bit slow in parts. Also, if you're an anti-environmental type or think that being a fat sloth-like organism with no purpose in life except to watch movies and play video games all day and avoid walking or other physical activity as much as possible, you may very well find the subject matter in this movie extremely offensive. And you'll hate it too.

Luckily, we don't fall into those categories so we did enjoy it, and didn't mind the admittedly "in-your-face" messages.

The main theme of this movie concerns a little trash compacting robot that gains something that the only surviving humans have almost lost - call it "humanity" if you will. Of course this simple underlying message is meant to be carried over to where humanity might be headed today. I know I'm being vague, but I fear giving something away for those who hasn't seen it.

The movie is basically in two parts - the first part contains little dialogue and little action. The second part contains a fair amount of dialogue and more action. Oddly, it was the second part I found a bit slow and tedious at times.

I think the animation way amazing, with great attention to some very small details - and texturing shows no patterns at all. They've managed to simulate the way a lens would capture everything, with dynamic focus, depth of field, etc. - even bokeh in many shots. Very impressive. This honestly is worlds above Monster's Inc. or Toy Story. Well it should be... it's years later after all. Needless to say, this will look sweet on Blu-ray and with that kind of detail, will surely benefit from an HD release.

I'll definitely agree that Pixar is brave with this one, tackling subject-matter that is usually reserved for more foreign, and less mainstream offerings. If you were the type to criticize "Happy Feet" because of its mild environmental theme, avoid WALL-E like the plague, because this one will be the deal breaker that will make you decide to home-school your children, not let them outside (or walk), and that's if you don't die of a heart attack first.

Edit: Oops forgot my score. I'll give it a solid 8 out of 10. That's pretty good for me.

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Jun 27, 2008]

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Must...avoid...all...Wall-E...discussion...for...one...week...

Jason, doing the Shat

Jason, did you see it already?

^ Nope, we won't be getting to it until next weekend.

Jason, sad

He saw Hancock instead...

By the way, why is truth offensive??

I wouldn't call it offensive, I would say scary is the correct word because like other great sci-fi movies it scares me that this could actually happen. It actually reminded me of Idiocracy. I hope parents bring their fat kids to see this.

SPOILER ALERT!!!

Although I'm not giving away any plot details what-so-ever, I suggest most people read what I have to say about the movie after they see it, so as to make up their own impressions of what the major themes and messages were. This is why I sometimes avoid reviews altogether for movies I plan on watching.

So here it goes... what I wrote in response to typical reviewers such as Christian Toto's of the Washington Times: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/27/wall-e-world-strong-visuals-comic-brilliance-c/ Just keep in mind that this has nothing to do with his negative review of the movie, since I think even more reviewers who gave this a fresh rating also missed or misinterpreted the message of this movie completely. After seeing the movie, feel free to come back to this thread and discuss.
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In his review Mr. Toto explains "suffice to say the film treats our capitalist system as the Earth's ultimate sin", and then within the next paragraph paradoxically states: "Fred Willard turns up in a cameo as the Earth's last president, or rather CEO, ...".

Most Americans have another name for a system whose single corporate entity also happens to be the only government party a system that demands conformity at the expense of inventiveness, and we don't call it "capitalism". For the life of me, I cannot fathom why an adult reviewer could suggest that portraying such as system negatively is a bad thing, considering many Americans gave their lives to prevent this ideology from spreading throughout the world and potentially threating the freedoms we now take for granted.

Yes the movie did have a strong political message one that should be cautionary in this age of complacency and lethargic convenience, in a society where growing numbers of adults cannot differentiate between economic and political systems of opposite poles.

Earlier in his review, Mr. Toto says "The film's anti-consumerism stance will win it some admirers...".

On the contrary, what was it during the first half of the movie that gave WALL-E that aspect of humanity that moved us? Hint: it was something that the last surviving humans could not and had no motivation to do. What did WALL-E take joy in? What filled his living quarters? Compare this to the stark bareness the money-less, consumer-goods-less society of the humans. Again, the true message of this theme was cautionary, yet the reviewer misses it completely for some reason. One would think WALL-E even owning an iPod would be clue enough.

Movies with such themes are sorely needed in a world where many adults mistake capitalism for communism, consumerism for complacent consumption, competition and hard work for laziness, and individuality for total conformity. It's unfortunate that such cautionary tales fail to deliver this message to those who need it most. Intelligence should not be a prerequisite in order for adults to understand a kid's cartoon. And yes, I fault the movie for this.

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Jun 29, 2008]

Well said Skyhawk.

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He saw Hancock instead...

You conveniently leave out I was out of town for most of the weekend, precluding me from seeing Wall-E. Rest assured, I'm getting to it on Friday.

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By the way, why is truth offensive??

Are you talking to me or someone else?

Jason, tired

You talking to me? You talking to me?

Totally agree Skyhawk...and no Jason, truth... wasn't geared at you...but I still have to make fun of the Hancock thing, sorry...lol...

Anyways, saw Wall-e today, and I can only say that along with Iron Man, is one of the greatest movies of the year, and by itself, of the decade. I completely fell for the first third, the "I Am Legend" third. The movie was fun, the movie was smart, the movie was entertaining, the movie IS GREAT.

I am concerned that most of the "rotten" or "negative" reviews are based on the environment/corporate issue, rather than with the actual main characters and their relationship. It's obvious there is NOTHING else to criticize, really, NOTHING. I also think that now that Pixar has power, they can actually try and do something for us, since now many (if not most) of us, really don't care about anything other than creating our own problems...but I'd rather leave Skyhawk post as my anti-negative-reviews post.

Wall-e is a great character to watch, to listen...so is Eve...and MO...and the roach...and is so fun to watch Eve 'laugh', and MO clean, and just, let Pixar be Pixar. It didn't have a tearjerk event such as Jesse the Cowgirl or "Boo", but those robots show more emotions than many actors would in their lifetime...

And I can go on and on and on and on...but enough. Wall-e is perfect Wall-e tries to teach a lesson Wall-e is a great entertaining and enjoyable movie...if you don't like it, then you are a cold-hearted robot, unlike, guess who?? Wall-e...

i think wally dragged, and the whole robot romance made me want to scream. but the mrs made me sit through it. thankfully it was free

i found it a bit offensive. lol, mostly exagerated... but kind of funny in a strange way. pixar is definately take the "kids-movie-with-message-for-adults" too seriously. BOOOOO PIXAR. really hated it

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[Post edited by kucoloco on Jun 30, 2008]

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i found it a bit offensive

Don't say I didn't warn ya!

Did you really not know that it's about a robot left alone because all the humans left earth because it was junked? Heck, this was on every preview and printed marketing material I saw for it.

Just to stoke the fire here a bit...

Evidently, Wall-E is a fear mongering piece of liberal propaganda. Then again, Glenn Beck is one of the commentator's, so his critique should be taken with a truckload of salt.

Story: Right Wing Reactions to Wall-E

Jason, being partisan today

Interesting article. . . the entire piece is a grain of salt! lol

So, was it the right wing that many years ago said you could play your Beatles and Led Zeppelin records backwards and they would say things about Satan and drugs?

You all will learn, if you haven't yet, that the radical right and left are very defensive people and anything that can be construed as to being against their views are labeled as "propaganda".

Well I saw most of Wall-E today. The beginning was entertainig but I ended up passing out after Wall-E and E.V.E. land in that space cruise ship thing. Woke up when the Captain was fighting the red eye robot with the 2001 music playing

From the amount I did see it had some great comedy and it was very, very imaginitive. I just wish I wasn't so sleepy when I saw it.

I enjoyed this movie. I went to go see Love Guru today, and all I could think was how much better Wall-E was.

I was watching an interesting program on Starz about Pixar's history. There was a recording of Walt Disney saying something about what he tried to achieve - it was not to entertain children or adults, but to rekindle that little bit that of goodness we hope exists in all of us (sorry if I just butchered that - I can't remember exactly what he said). Wall-E was just that kind of movie. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll just say that this movie is simply about one robot's (a very human-like robot) commitment and perseverance in spite of great difficulties.

To me this movie was nearly as good as Cars and very similar in terms of simplicity and charm. Skyhawk, that guy's review was pretty harsh. It seems he took the film too seriously, or too personally. Let's face it - there's far too few people out there doing anything to protect our future and too many doing things as if they will have no consequence. Wall-e is not a person, so I expect his reasoning to be less than realistic. He can do things that would seem outrageous for a person that would only make him seem more human.

No offense to Jason, but I think he took this movie a little too literally. Let me start with a quote from the piece:

"What Andrew Stanton has done here is take 'An Inconvenient Truth,' removed the science behind it and exaggerated the characters to the Nth degree."

That is a rather extreme over-simplifcation. Pixar's move here was not simply an exaggeration of the science (or "science", depending on your perspective) of the Gore film. The Gore film was about things that many believe could really happen and/or are happening already. On the contrary, "Wall-E" imagines a future world in which, by around 2100, there's no government, and in its place a giant corporation that has sold so much (obviously bought by the people) that the earth is now covered in trash. Now, does anyone really believe that over the next 100 years or so, humans will generate so much trash that we'll be forced to leave the planet because Wal-Mart has replaced the government? I mean, is that even remotely plausible? There's no "Inconvenient Truth" like message. . .it's more like a convenient truth. . .for the story. I don't see how you can rationally conclude that this aspect of the movie sends any message, other than perhaps that over-consumption can be a bad thing (which shouldn't be news to anyone).

In developing this story, Pixar had a problem. They had to find something to get humans off the planet, and they wanted to tie their character into that. Climate change is a non-starter, because then you have to explain how the robot can fix climate change, which isn't quite as simple as "he compresses trash and stacks it into piles." Also, a climate change argument inherently bothers people on both sides of the debate, since invariably there are people that think you went both too far and, at the same time, not far enough. Depletion of natural resources doesn't work either, because 1) a robot can't fix that, and 2) see above regarding going too far and not going for enough. (Note: Obviously I was not privy to any discussions at Pixar, but as meticulous as these movies are, I have to think they considered multiple possibilities for this story, as well as the potential effects of each).

Yet at some point they hit on the idea of trash. In theory, if the planet is covered in trash, this can be cured, and you can leave robots to do it. It's implausible (and yes, exaggerated) as presented in the movie, so it will minimize the backlash which always follows anything that even remotely claims that human activity can have lasting effects on the planet. And lastly, it explains how this robot could be left on the planet, yet learn and collect so much in what essentially amounts to simple form of anthropology.

The review argues that the movie remains "on message," with which I would agree. We simply disagree on what the message is. In my view, the message has nothing to do with climate change or even over-consumption, kind of like how "The Incredibles" wasn't about excessive litigation. Rather, it's about taking advantage of opportunities as they arise. Wall-E took full advantage of the opportunities that were presented him, and when the planet in the movie was ready to support life again, the people came back and fixed it. No offense, but I think it's kind of silly to see a Pixar movie and then spend the aftermath jumping at shadows.

In order to prevent similar issues in the future, I want to provide an easy way for everyone to determine what the "message" in a Pixar movie is. Are you ready? Here goes. The "message" always involves the main characters. Period. In this case, that's Wall-E and Eve, though as stated above, it can also be extended to the humans. This is how we know that "The Incredibles" was not about litigation or insurance companies, "Ratatouille" was not about pest prevention, "Toy Story 2" wasn't about Al's Toy Barn, etc. Easy.

There is no doubt that Wall-E is a love story, but why is it never criticized in that area? Because it is a successful love story however, the criticism keeps being on the 'preachy' side of things over consumerism and environment, and on how we humans are portrayed...but you know what? We criticize it and dislike it because we know it to be true, we know that we are capable of destroying the environment and we are capable of sitting doing on our PCs watching it all happen thru YouTube...oh, and txting our friends about it too!

Again, Walll-E succeeds, Wall-e will be one of this year's best five movies, along with Dark Knight, Hellboy and two more movies, but for right now, this being such a beautiful and wonderful film to watch, has THE edge over all of them, over violence, over drugs, over organized crime, over red creatures, over whiny billionaires...you name it...as Pixar has always done.

Econ101,

I'm not going to respond point by point...I just don't have the time right now. All I will say is that Stanton could have layered in the environmental message (yes, it was a message and, no, a movie message does not always have to revolve around the main character) a little more subtly. That is my only criticism.

Would it have been better if I substituted "6 Degrees Could Change the World" for "An Inconvenient Truth"? How about the news special "The WalMart Effect"? All I was trying to do was use an analogy most people would be familiar with.

Jason, Ratatouille man

Again, people criticize the 'environmental/corporate' factor rather than the actual love story (that let's face it, is almost flawless), because for many, most of us, truth hurts, implying that something similar could happen, does hurt, and we want to avoid talking about it.

You have eye candy movies that mock global warming (The Day After Tomorrow) and movies that talk facts/educate about it (An Inconvenient Truth), but when a love story setting's includes something that could actually happen, we dislike it...again, any actual critizicism against the effects? The love story? The characters? The voices? The cinematography? The sound mixing? The soundtrac? The editing? ...

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we want to avoid talking about it.

Not once did I say it not a worthwhile message or idea. Not. Once. My only contention was in the presentation.

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again, any actual critizicism against the effects? The love story? The characters? The voices? The cinematography? The sound mixing? The soundtrac? The editing? ...

Did you not read what I bloody wrote? I'm sure I used words like beautiful and exquisite in there at least once. I did mention the Newman soundtrack and, I'm fairly certain, the Pixar style on full display. All I said was I didn't enjoy it as much as Ratatouille, yet Wall-E still got a 7 out of 10 from me.

Jason, seriously

Again, because I'm not like some people who start those upconversion and blu-ray loving and whatnot threads( ), I want to say that the environmental/corporate thing is not a good or valid argument against the movie, just like Iron Man and the war wasn't.

And to be fair, out of the last three Pixar movies that I've seen in the theater (the only other being Toy Story), Ratatouille was by far my least favorite, with Wall-E on top and Cars in the middle...with Ratatouille there is no edge, not something that breaks the mold, the way both Cars and Wall-E have done...anyways, back to the upconversion threads....

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I want to say that the environmental/corporate thing is not a good or valid argument against the movie, just like Iron Man and the war wasn't.

Now I'm just curious. The environment and corporate greed was a front and center theme of the movie, especially the second half. Why is it not a valid argument against Wall-E?

Jason, Anton Ego

Believe it or not, there is a Mexican singer called Colette that looks just exactly as Colette in Ratatouille did...

Oh, because it is a weak argument...again, back to the upconversion threads...

I saw it this weekend and really enjoyed it. It has to be one of my favorite Pixar films next to Toy Story 1 & 2. When it was over, there was hope that my theatre sit would lift and hover me to my car. I mean, what's the point in walking?

The Wife-O-Meter and I saw "WALL-E" today, and both of us enjoyed it to a point. The central love story is cute and sweet, and Pixar's usual high standard of animation made the movie a pleasure on the eyes.

That said, I also found long stretches of it rather dull. The theater was filled with kids and their parents, and most of the kids were fidgety and talkative throughout the film. The story line didn't hold up very well for either my wife or me, and the film never did fully capture my mind or imagination.

I hadn't realized there were so many "2001" references in the movie, and they were fun: Eve's shape and appearance, the Johann and Richard Strauss music, the villain on the spacecraft, the air lock scene, etc. It almost seemed like the filmmakers were going for a "Space Odyssey" look on the movie. The trouble is that Kubrick's film had a grand sweep that made the imagery continuously fascinating, while "WALL-E" got simply tiresome.

Finally, anyone who didn't think the secondary environmental message was important enough to add or detract from the film must have watched an entirely different movie than I did. A person might see the ideas of pollution, overindulgence, or dependance on machines making us lazy and fat as either going too far or not going far enough. I just found these ideas an interesting backdrop to the main story, neither good nor bad. But you cannot deny they are there and that people will have a reaction to them.

Jason's 7/10 seems about right to me (maybe even a 6/10 because I'm not sure I'd want to watch it again anytime soon). I didn't find "WALL-E" had the heart of "Toy Story 2," "Monsters, Inc.," "Cars, or "Ratatouille" or the playfulness of "The Incredibles," which remain my favorite Pixar movies.

John

I never thought that I would enjoy Wall-E as much as I did, coming from the director of my least favorite Pixar movie, Finding Nemo, but yet, I had never waited for a movie the way I did for Wall-E (and next year for Up?). Ratatouille didn't do it for me the first time, just like The Incredibles didn't do it for me the first time (second and third times, you get to enjoy it a bit more), hopefully the second time when I get a blu-ray player or PS3 (since I got the blu-ray movie for free), I will. Cars did suffer from pacing, but is just as enjoyable as the Toy Story movies.

Anyways, good thing we all have different opinions, or this would be boring...

EDIT: BTW, wikipedia says that Barbie and Kent will appear in Toy Story 3(D)...

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