Saturday, June 28, 2008
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I wouldn't call it offensive, I would say scary is the correct word because like other great sci-fi movies it scares me that this could actually happen. It actually reminded me of Idiocracy. I hope parents bring their fat kids to see this.
Sunday, June 29, 2008
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SPOILER ALERT!!!
Although I'm not giving away any plot details what-so-ever, I suggest most people read what I have to say about the movie after they see it, so as to make up their own impressions of what the major themes and messages were. This is why I sometimes avoid reviews altogether for movies I plan on watching.
So here it goes... what I wrote in response to typical reviewers such as Christian Toto's of the Washington Times: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/27/wall-e-world-strong-visuals-comic-brilliance-c/ Just keep in mind that this has nothing to do with his negative review of the movie, since I think even more reviewers who gave this a fresh rating also missed or misinterpreted the message of this movie completely. After seeing the movie, feel free to come back to this thread and discuss.
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In his review Mr. Toto explains "suffice to say the film treats our capitalist system as the Earth's ultimate sin", and then within the next paragraph paradoxically states: "Fred Willard turns up in a cameo as the Earth's last president, or rather CEO, ...".
Most Americans have another name for a system whose single corporate entity also happens to be the only government party a system that demands conformity at the expense of inventiveness, and we don't call it "capitalism". For the life of me, I cannot fathom why an adult reviewer could suggest that portraying such as system negatively is a bad thing, considering many Americans gave their lives to prevent this ideology from spreading throughout the world and potentially threating the freedoms we now take for granted.
Yes the movie did have a strong political message one that should be cautionary in this age of complacency and lethargic convenience, in a society where growing numbers of adults cannot differentiate between economic and political systems of opposite poles.
Earlier in his review, Mr. Toto says "The film's anti-consumerism stance will win it some admirers...".
On the contrary, what was it during the first half of the movie that gave WALL-E that aspect of humanity that moved us? Hint: it was something that the last surviving humans could not and had no motivation to do. What did WALL-E take joy in? What filled his living quarters? Compare this to the stark bareness the money-less, consumer-goods-less society of the humans. Again, the true message of this theme was cautionary, yet the reviewer misses it completely for some reason. One would think WALL-E even owning an iPod would be clue enough.
Movies with such themes are sorely needed in a world where many adults mistake capitalism for communism, consumerism for complacent consumption, competition and hard work for laziness, and individuality for total conformity. It's unfortunate that such cautionary tales fail to deliver this message to those who need it most. Intelligence should not be a prerequisite in order for adults to understand a kid's cartoon. And yes, I fault the movie for this.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Jun 29, 2008]
Although I'm not giving away any plot details what-so-ever, I suggest most people read what I have to say about the movie after they see it, so as to make up their own impressions of what the major themes and messages were. This is why I sometimes avoid reviews altogether for movies I plan on watching.
So here it goes... what I wrote in response to typical reviewers such as Christian Toto's of the Washington Times: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/27/wall-e-world-strong-visuals-comic-brilliance-c/ Just keep in mind that this has nothing to do with his negative review of the movie, since I think even more reviewers who gave this a fresh rating also missed or misinterpreted the message of this movie completely. After seeing the movie, feel free to come back to this thread and discuss.
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In his review Mr. Toto explains "suffice to say the film treats our capitalist system as the Earth's ultimate sin", and then within the next paragraph paradoxically states: "Fred Willard turns up in a cameo as the Earth's last president, or rather CEO, ...".
Most Americans have another name for a system whose single corporate entity also happens to be the only government party a system that demands conformity at the expense of inventiveness, and we don't call it "capitalism". For the life of me, I cannot fathom why an adult reviewer could suggest that portraying such as system negatively is a bad thing, considering many Americans gave their lives to prevent this ideology from spreading throughout the world and potentially threating the freedoms we now take for granted.
Yes the movie did have a strong political message one that should be cautionary in this age of complacency and lethargic convenience, in a society where growing numbers of adults cannot differentiate between economic and political systems of opposite poles.
Earlier in his review, Mr. Toto says "The film's anti-consumerism stance will win it some admirers...".
On the contrary, what was it during the first half of the movie that gave WALL-E that aspect of humanity that moved us? Hint: it was something that the last surviving humans could not and had no motivation to do. What did WALL-E take joy in? What filled his living quarters? Compare this to the stark bareness the money-less, consumer-goods-less society of the humans. Again, the true message of this theme was cautionary, yet the reviewer misses it completely for some reason. One would think WALL-E even owning an iPod would be clue enough.
Movies with such themes are sorely needed in a world where many adults mistake capitalism for communism, consumerism for complacent consumption, competition and hard work for laziness, and individuality for total conformity. It's unfortunate that such cautionary tales fail to deliver this message to those who need it most. Intelligence should not be a prerequisite in order for adults to understand a kid's cartoon. And yes, I fault the movie for this.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Jun 29, 2008]
Sunday, June 29, 2008
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Well said Skyhawk.
Sunday, June 29, 2008
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He saw Hancock instead...
You conveniently leave out I was out of town for most of the weekend, precluding me from seeing Wall-E. Rest assured, I'm getting to it on Friday.
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By the way, why is truth offensive??
Are you talking to me or someone else?
Jason, tired
Sunday, June 29, 2008
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You talking to me? You talking to me?
Sunday, June 29, 2008
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Totally agree Skyhawk...and no Jason, truth... wasn't geared at you...but I still have to make fun of the Hancock thing, sorry...lol...
Anyways, saw Wall-e today, and I can only say that along with Iron Man, is one of the greatest movies of the year, and by itself, of the decade. I completely fell for the first third, the "I Am Legend" third. The movie was fun, the movie was smart, the movie was entertaining, the movie IS GREAT.
I am concerned that most of the "rotten" or "negative" reviews are based on the environment/corporate issue, rather than with the actual main characters and their relationship. It's obvious there is NOTHING else to criticize, really, NOTHING. I also think that now that Pixar has power, they can actually try and do something for us, since now many (if not most) of us, really don't care about anything other than creating our own problems...but I'd rather leave Skyhawk post as my anti-negative-reviews post.
Wall-e is a great character to watch, to listen...so is Eve...and MO...and the roach...and is so fun to watch Eve 'laugh', and MO clean, and just, let Pixar be Pixar. It didn't have a tearjerk event such as Jesse the Cowgirl or "Boo", but those robots show more emotions than many actors would in their lifetime...
And I can go on and on and on and on...but enough. Wall-e is perfect Wall-e tries to teach a lesson Wall-e is a great entertaining and enjoyable movie...if you don't like it, then you are a cold-hearted robot, unlike, guess who?? Wall-e...
Anyways, saw Wall-e today, and I can only say that along with Iron Man, is one of the greatest movies of the year, and by itself, of the decade. I completely fell for the first third, the "I Am Legend" third. The movie was fun, the movie was smart, the movie was entertaining, the movie IS GREAT.
I am concerned that most of the "rotten" or "negative" reviews are based on the environment/corporate issue, rather than with the actual main characters and their relationship. It's obvious there is NOTHING else to criticize, really, NOTHING. I also think that now that Pixar has power, they can actually try and do something for us, since now many (if not most) of us, really don't care about anything other than creating our own problems...but I'd rather leave Skyhawk post as my anti-negative-reviews post.
Wall-e is a great character to watch, to listen...so is Eve...and MO...and the roach...and is so fun to watch Eve 'laugh', and MO clean, and just, let Pixar be Pixar. It didn't have a tearjerk event such as Jesse the Cowgirl or "Boo", but those robots show more emotions than many actors would in their lifetime...
And I can go on and on and on and on...but enough. Wall-e is perfect Wall-e tries to teach a lesson Wall-e is a great entertaining and enjoyable movie...if you don't like it, then you are a cold-hearted robot, unlike, guess who?? Wall-e...
Monday, June 30, 2008
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September 2007
September 2007
i think wally dragged, and the whole robot romance made me want to scream. but the mrs made me sit through it. thankfully it was free
i found it a bit offensive. lol, mostly exagerated... but kind of funny in a strange way. pixar is definately take the "kids-movie-with-message-for-adults" too seriously. BOOOOO PIXAR. really hated it
[Post edited by kucoloco on Jun 30, 2008]
i found it a bit offensive. lol, mostly exagerated... but kind of funny in a strange way. pixar is definately take the "kids-movie-with-message-for-adults" too seriously. BOOOOO PIXAR. really hated it
[Post edited by kucoloco on Jun 30, 2008]
Monday, June 30, 2008
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i found it a bit offensive
Don't say I didn't warn ya!
Did you really not know that it's about a robot left alone because all the humans left earth because it was junked? Heck, this was on every preview and printed marketing material I saw for it.
Tuesday, July 1, 2008
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January 2006
January 2006
Just to stoke the fire here a bit...
Evidently, Wall-E is a fear mongering piece of liberal propaganda. Then again, Glenn Beck is one of the commentator's, so his critique should be taken with a truckload of salt.
Story: Right Wing Reactions to Wall-E
Jason, being partisan today
Evidently, Wall-E is a fear mongering piece of liberal propaganda. Then again, Glenn Beck is one of the commentator's, so his critique should be taken with a truckload of salt.
Story: Right Wing Reactions to Wall-E
Jason, being partisan today
Tuesday, July 1, 2008
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March 2002
Interesting article. . . the entire piece is a grain of salt! lol
So, was it the right wing that many years ago said you could play your Beatles and Led Zeppelin records backwards and they would say things about Satan and drugs?
So, was it the right wing that many years ago said you could play your Beatles and Led Zeppelin records backwards and they would say things about Satan and drugs?
