Punisher: War Zone

I have never been a fan of the comics but I thought the last movie was pretty good except for the fact they totally messed up the origin story part of it. This movie looks like it is seriously up to par with the level of violence I would imagine that would go along with a Punisher movie. Also Ray Stevenson looks like the part more so than Mr. Jane did. Just so much grittier and just plain meaner in my opinion. Anyway, i'm gonna go this tonight with some friends. I'm certainly not expecting a moving story, but more your typical "You killed my family now I am gonna extract bloody, violent revenge on your ass and all your friends!" type of movie. It should be a pretty good flick I think. We'll see.

I couldn't fine a positive review out there. I didn't think this would be great but thought it could be something like incredible hulk.

It really is a shame this is a great character but hes not a good guy like in the Jane version. The punisher is the "boogie man" for bad guys. A relentless killer of bad dudes.

Well, the Punisher never really was a good guy. Basically he's a murderer. He kills for revenge. Even though those he kills are "bad guys". He is in no way a heroic figure by any means. Sure, his origin is tragic, but doesn't make him a hero. I'm only interested in the movie because of the special effects and the gun fights look cool.

I have not been able to read a single positive review which is unfortunate. I would really like to see a good Punisher movie made although I must admit I liked the one with Jane.

The movie sucks because it was directed by a woman. This is by no means an insult to females, but how many women do you know that read comics other than Archie? There aren't that many, that's for sure. Now about 1/10 of a percent of that miniscule number actually read Punisher comics. I really don't know what the hell Marvel was thinking.

Now, I haven't seen it yet, but the reviews are terrible and so are the trailers. Anybody with a Y chromosome could have done better. Even Michael Bay.

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[Post edited by hoodaguy on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 11:48 AM]

Well, hood, you certainly had your fill of these:

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[Post edited by spoonard on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 11:58 AM]

Huh? Nothing I said deserves that image. Just from the trailers alone, "Punisher: War Zone" is atrocious and a complete mess. If it had been directed by a fanboy like Favreau for example, it wouldn't be anywhere near as crappy. Instead, it was placed in the hands of a director who had no clue what they were doing. How does stating this resemble being retarded?

The only thing she got right was the violence. The problem is, the violence is so over-the-top (and the reviews are saying "cartoonish") that it ruins the whole film. What makes matters worse is Jigsaw's flamboyant antics reminiscent of Tommy Lee Jones who thought he was the Joker when he was actually playing Two-Face.

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[Post edited by hoodaguy on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 1:26 PM]

Ok, EVERYTHING you said deserves that image and a whole host of others. Let's examine a few of your statements:

You: The movie sucks because it was directed by a woman.
Me: Dear god, what day and age do you live in?

You: How many women do you know that read comics other than Archie?
Me: Could that be any more irrelevant? How does that statement pertain to the director? Simple... it doesn't. And I can name one celebrity and three personal friends that are girls that read comics just to pander to your idiotic statement.

You: Now, I haven't seen it yet, but the reviews are terrible
Me: Way to let other people do your thinking for you, champ! By your own admission then you have NO first hand knowledge of the movie other than TV commercials and here you are blabbing about how terrible the movie is. Not a good way to get other people to listen to you. Before you can actually review a movie you have to have actually gone to SEE the movie.

You continue on in your respnse to my image of retard pills...

You: If it had been directed by a fanboy like Favreau for example, it wouldn't be anywhere near as crappy.
Me: Because you and John Favreau are best buddys and you are totally in his head about his directing styles and motives. You can literally see into his thought process during any given directorial decision he makes.

You: Instead, it was placed in the hands of a director who had no clue what they were doing.
Me: Had no idea what they were doing? Are you a director? Do you know the first thing about directing feature length hollywood films? I'm guessing if you stood in the same room and were allowed to pitch the movie to some producers/studio execs you would get laughed out of the room. Allow me to quote one of the admittedly few good reviews the movie got from RT:

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The ultraviolent third stab at Marvel's homicidal vigilante is the best and closest to the source material.

Read the full review.

You: The only thing she got right was the violence.
Me: That's all there is to a Punisher movie. He's mad they killed his family so now he's gonna kill all of them. Sounds like a simple plot line to me. Don't try to read so far into it.

You: The problem is, the violence is so over-the-top (and the reviews are saying "cartoonish") that it ruins the whole film.
Me: It's ok, it's a movie based on a COMIC BOOK!!! It's a good thing that Spider-Man or Hellboy aren't over the top characters...

You: What makes matters worse is Jigsaw's flamboyant antics reminiscent of Tommy Lee Jones who thought he was the Joker when he was actually playing Two-Face.
Me: Apperantly I have to remind you that you haven't actually seen the movie for yourself and are likely just saying what you heard someone else say.

Ok, i'm done. I have to go back to work and eagerly await your rebuttle.

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[Post edited by spoonard on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 2:07 PM]

Hey I just found a picture of you:



Seriously, you have a real problem. If absolutely everything I've seen in the trailer nearly made me hurl from disgust, how is the movie going to fare any better?

You can quote "good" reviews all you want, but the fact still remains the same. Except for a couple, most of them are still in the same boat saying the movie is terrible.

I also explained my stance on the woman issue. I don't live in the stone ages, and I said I didn't mean it as a negative. But if you think for a moment that her direction didn't have an impact on all of the reviews trashing the movie, then I'd have to say you are gobbling up your own pills by the handful. It makes a HUGE difference if a director tries to make a film on a subject they know nothing or little about.

Yes, it's based on a comic book, but he's just a guy with guns. Comparing this to Spider-Man or Hellboy is just plain ludicrous.

And no, I'm not a director. But I watch a lot of movies and I know what looks cheap and cheesy and what doesn't. Everything I saw in the trailer for "Punisher: War Zone" qualifies as cheap and cheesy, with none of it screaming "cool" at all.

And for your information, I'm not basing my judgment of Jigsaw from what other people have said, I am basing it on what I personally saw from the trailer. Maybe he is better in the movie, but that still doesn't deny that for at least part of it, he's ridiculous.

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[Post edited by hoodaguy on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 2:28 PM]

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If absolutely everything I've seen in the trailer nearly made me hurl from disgust, how is the movie going to fare any better?

The best parts of most movies usually aren't in a movie's trailer. Otherwise why would people go see the movie if they saw the best of the movie on TV? And without actually seeing the ENTIRE movie you can't make a real judgement on it. Well, you can, but you just sound infantile when you do, and then go on to tell everyone you haven't actually seen the movie! That definate doesn't help you.

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It makes a HUGE difference if a director tries to make a film on a subject they know nothing or little about.

How do you know she isn't steeped in Punisher history and knowledge? Is this just another of your inane comments you make without any knowledge on the subjectof your own?

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And no, I'm not a director. But I watch a lot of movies

Awesome! I work at a hospital. Would you trust me to do a quadruple bypass surgery on you?

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I'm not basing my judgment of Jigsaw from what other people have said, I am basing it on what I personally saw from the trailer

The trailer? C'mon, what have I been saying the whole time here? Don't use the trailer as a point of reference!!! It's not the whole movie!!! From now on if you are going to continue an argument with me in this forum you have to begin every sentance with "I haven't actually seen the movie but..."

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[Post edited by spoonard on Dec 6, 2008 - CST 2:42 PM]