120Hz or no 120 Hz???

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InvisibleBiker

Jan 19, 2009 - CST 3:47 PM

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OK so I got it narrowed down to the LG and the Samsung 120Hz TV's. But I have been reading alot of the reviews that say you need to turn it off if you are not watching sports or any animated movie? So do you really need the 120Hz???

Like so many times before you guys have been very helpful to me so I am asking for your opinions again on the 120 Hz issue.

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Jan 19, 2009 - CST 4:44 PM

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FYI...

~ MOTION BLUR The bad, the ugly, and the 120 hertz. - great article by Geoffrey Morrison

~ Six things you need to know about 120Hz LCD TVs (Cnet)

~ Is 240Hz worth waiting for? (Cnet)

Enjoy!

Now... if you buy a plasma TV, then "motion blurring" and "120hz" would not be an issue, as plasma does not use the LCD pixel tech of "sample and hold" (which can cause "smearing" noticeable to some people's eyes).

(Plasma's pixel tech is based on super-fast phosphers, similar to CRTubes of the past, and does not use the "sample and hold" pixel tech of LCD).

-JOE- (Love Hendrix!)

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bladerunner1

Jan 19, 2009 - CST 6:32 PM

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That article was from 2007 Hendrix....

anyway, LCD still loses a great bit of resolution if you do not sit dead center in front of the set. This would be the only thing holding me back from getting an LCD at this point in time for from what ive read, the problems with blacks, AND motion blur have been eliminated enough as has the problem with burn in on plasma's.

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Jan 19, 2009 - CST 6:55 PM

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blade... what has never changed in regard to LCD is it's "sample and hold" pixel tech. The other improvements are one thing, but some people still notice blurring from fast motion images on any LCD TV due to their eye sensitivity to it. The only way to completely avoid it is to buy another form of TV, such as plasma and rear-projection, etc. Remember, the blurring is not always noticeable, and is not an issue with many people... but to others it is. I especially notice LCD blur (compared to plasma) when watching sports in HD.

The main reason I went from LCD (Dec 2005) to plasma (a Pioneer KURO in Dec 2007), is after two years of watching my Sharp LCD HDTV, I was tired of the poor contast when watching low-light, darker scenes (since most LCDs use bulbs that cannot reproduce the darker blacks of the best plasma models). I watch movies in a completely darkened room, and LCD just cannot match the quality of plasma. Yes, some of the latest LCDs are very, very good, but I've yet to read a review of any model from any manufacturer where they claim the image is better than the quality of Pioneer's KURO line of plasma (and Panasonic plasma is excellent too usually).

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Jan 19, 2009 - CST 7:09 PM

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I've yet to read a review of any model from any manufacturer where they claim the image is better than the quality of Pioneer's KURO line of plasma (and Panasonic plasma is excellent too usually).

agree. the pioneers have been tops for a few years and the elite kuro (as you already know) just won a faceoff in this months issue of H.T. now...if i could only find 5 grand.

btw. you must remember that you don't have to convince me of anything...remember that we bought the viera?

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Jan 19, 2009 - CST 7:22 PM

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remember that we bought the viera?

Yeah, that's right - I forgot.

For home theater, PLASMA is best (a must in dark-room viewing).

For everything else, brighter rooms, kids, office, etc, well then I would recommend LCD for sure.

In the future, probably OLED, LaserTV, 3-D, and maybe SED (from Canon) will be superior. 3-D TV tech is supposed to be 5 to 8 years away from wide consumer use, maybe sooner if they move the tech forward faster than earlier projected.

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Jan 20, 2009 - CST 1:21 AM

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Im not a fan of 120 hz, when i first sall it i thought it looked cool, then my friend bought one.( high rated samsung lcd 120hz on cnet) we watched some movies on it and to me it was annoying ,it ruined the movie watchn experience, it made the characters motions to unnatural looking, to the point were it looked creepy. We turned off the 120hz when watching spiderman 3 cause it made the movie look awful visualy(it was bad enough story wise). I ended up getting a plasma and im glad i did, the colors of the darks are so much better. and there is no need to worry about refresh rates on the plasma, no motion blur.

InvisibleBiker

Jan 20, 2009 - CST 9:54 AM

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Thanks to all of you for your help on my 120Hz decission. (Hendrex thaks for the threads to the reviews they were very helpful) Well when it was all said and done, I bought the LG 42LG70. Here was the deal, I got the TV and a free 60GB XBOX 360 and free Geek Squad Calibration of my TV for 1299.99 (1389.98 with tax and a 120Hz HDMI Cable) Now I did buy the XBOX 360 Arcade version for 199.99, so I have to return that on Wednesday to get my $ back (Scott from Best Buy assured me that he will take care of that.) So I will take the 200.00 and put towards the TV making the out of the door price 1189.98. All of the reviews that I read and looking at the specs on this TV myself, it seems like it is a good deal. I just hope that the TV is not overly bright for my theater room. I have approximately 6 feet from the reclyner and the love seat to the TV. The room is 20 feet by 10 feet and I do have one window at the bottom of the stairs. I plan on blacking that window out do to the daytime light. I actually still have until Friday, that's when I pick the TV up, so if you guys change my mind LOL, then I will pass on this TV. But like I said it ooks like a good TV and great deal.

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Jan 20, 2009 - CST 9:59 AM

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scionguy

Is that effect really the result of 120Hz? I was looking at a Sony Bravia LCD in a store and they were demoing Casino Royale, the still shots looked incredible, almost lifelike but when the action starting moving you got this motion blur effect that seemed so unnatural.

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Jan 20, 2009 - CST 10:12 AM

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To date I can only think of one LCD tv I would buy. The Toshiba 46" Regza 545. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because it was the only TV on the sales floor that didn't show flaws during an NFL game. It's ability to canvass life like images, was the closest to plasma that I can see. Samsung comes close, but still could not filter a lot of background mpeg noise. Joe is right, sports for the most part look like ass on LCD. That's why still today I'm using my old Panasonic 37" plasma in my living room. It's only 720p but a nicer picture than even the newest LCD images coming out. Contrast to date is still a major issue with LCD, and improper backlighting techniques with LCD. Given granted the newer sets are using LED and more improved backlighting, and now can control fill and shaded areas much better than the originals. Don't get me wrong, I know most of you that visit this site love your LCD, but I'm still not sold, and I have tried many models out over the last 8 years. The 120Hz is a great update for LCD, and I see promise for that looking through glass feel in the next few years. LCD is getting there, But not quite yet for this consumer.