BEST Buy becomes VINYL City!!!

No one said there was a tremendous difference of quality. Examine John's last post and you'll see he's basically saying the same thing I'm saying - it's not that it's better or worse, it's just different. Think about it, in those old days, we all really loved LPs and they do produce a sound that us unmatched with todays technology. That does not mean it's better, it just means it's different.

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[Post edited by Tim Raynor on May 4, 2009 - CDT 10:00 PM]

Quote: I'm just shocked that the people who say they hear such a tremendous difference between 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound could deal with vinyl. --wolvinator

Wolvinator,

I'm not sure if you were referring to me in the above quote, but if so, perhaps you misunderstood my remarks, as Tim says. I dislike the sound of snaps, crackles, and pops as much as anyone, for which reason I sold my turntable, arm, and cartridge some years ago. But several of my audiophile friends would not consider listening to what they consider to be the "flat," "metallic," "artificial" sound of digital CDs. (And, incidentally, most of them eschew 5.1 and 7.1 sound as well. )

John

I guess what you are saying is that people are getting that warm fuzzy feeling from listening to the low tech music of their childhood. That's cool for them but I guess I'm just not that nostalgic.

And no John I wasn't attacking you or anyone else in particular. Just thought it was funny that people on a website that every day talk about and drool over the latest and greatest(hdmi 7.1 surround sound systems that cost thousands, the best possible picture quality-BluRay) could possibly think that records sound better.

Believe it or not Records do sound better. In the days where Quadrophonic stereos were making a push into the market place, records were at their peak in performance. Records had the ability of obtaining and reproducing sounds in a lifelike fashion. Many of us that are musically inclined can tell the difference. The closest technology to date has been the CD, but there lies issues with the format as well. It is a huge improvement of cassette! Keep in mind there are peices of equipment out there that are more advanced than your mickey mouse disneytales record box.

If you think back about 10 years ago, Pearl Jam released Vitology on Record. They pretty much released all of their albumns on Record. There is a reason for that. Their original cuts were also done on record. If you listen to pearl jam records you will find that they are the cleanest in the industry. Also do not compromise themselves with cheesy effects, and clipping from some of their grunge music. I find it ironic that in this techological world that grunge and heavy metal artists allow some of that technological glitching still to occur, but whatever. A lot of software dubs have been used to shape frequecies, and pops and hisses in digital cuts. I was a studio jock for 3 years, I've seen the defects come in, and I'm supposed to make magic with them. Unfortunately people have their misconceptions of the Record industy because you did not grow up with them.

Anyone that grew up in that era knew what was there, and felt that sound. It's really too bad you cannot hear it for yourself with the new age music that is out. If you have time pick up yourself a 10th anniversay edition of Pearl Jam Ten, you'll be in for a treat! They revitalized the original Record recordings and remastered them, from one of those sloppy old black plastic things...

BTW, the special edition of this record is available on CD or Record...

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[Post edited by ReaggieP on May 5, 2009 - CDT 8:13 AM]

Man, I am very much into Blu Ray and DVD surround sound, hi-def video, etc. I used to listen to all my CDs in some kind of simulated surround mode, like Pro Logic II or DTS Neo 6.

When I upgraded to a Blul Ray receiver, I sold my old Pioneer on Craigslist. Someone was interested in it and contacted me for info. After we talked, I offered to bring the receiver to his home and help him hook it up. He was an older gentleman and I could tell he wasn't sure about a lot of things related to home theatre audio.

When I arrived, he showed me where he was putting it and what he wanted to hook up to it. I was shocked! He wanted it so he and his wife could listen to their old vinyls! Although he had to get a pre-amp to use with this particular receiver, I went back in a few days to check it out (and collect the rest of my money) and hung out with him for quite a bit. His wife threw on some old Bowie and Pink Floyd records and I was amazed at the quality of the sound.

It made me want to go out and get a record player and some good vinyl!

Since then, I have never listened to my CDs in Pro Logic of Neo 6, only in stereo, as they were intended to be played. I actually heard the richness and warmth that vinyls can produce.

My cousin recently started collecting vinyls, but has one of those "all-in-one" record players, with CD player and radio. I've heard some of his John Frusciante and Chili Peppers albums, and even on his little system, I could hear a difference between that and CD.

When I go back to NJ in a few weeks, I'm going to thumb through the vinyls that my dad is selling and see if I can start my own little collection. I'm excited at the possibility of embracing something from his era that is completely new to me!

I hope vinyl continues to make a big comeback...

This reminds me about the film vs. digital argument...same thing, we don't like specs or dirt or any other thing bothering in the picture, which is what digital offers, pure digital picture.

But when Spielberg said that in digital a person just staying still would be static and in film he would be alive, he made me think...but yet again, it's very different. Like when he said go watch KOTCS in film not digital...

First, I can't stand the noise the projector does, or the frames skipping, or some lines running through some shots, or sporadic specs or shaky image...

They are just different experiences, and like many want to make sure we know, film tends to have more resolution than digital...so I will assume that the same goes for vinyl vs. CD's digital files...

Pearl Jam is not a "grunge" band. They are a "hard rock" band. (in a classic sense).

Once again, it has been clearly stated by experts (and Neil Young), that DVD-A and SACD, are the best formats ever available to the consumer. However we all know why those didnt take off...

I enjoy the sound of records. As mentioned, they have their own vibe of which is very transparent and open.

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[Post edited by bladerunner1 on May 5, 2009 - CDT 6:13 PM]

Quote:Pearl Jam is not a "grunge" band. They are a "hard rock" band. (in a classic sense).

LOL Did you live in the 90's?

Yes Pearl Jam was a grunge band! I grew up on these guys among others. Kurt Cobain kinda ruined it when he blew his head off but, I'll save that for another discussion... Wikipedia has this for you.

Quote:Pearl Jam: Formed after the demise of Ament and Gossard's previous band Mother Love Bone, Pearl Jam broke into the mainstream with its debut album, Ten. One of the key bands of the grunge movement in the early 1990s, Pearl Jam was criticized early on — most notably by Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain — as being a corporate cash-in on the alternative rock explosion.

i will say it again...pearl jam is NOT a grunge band. they are influenced by the who, the ramones, and crazy horse! neil young is NOT the "godfather" of grunge......smokescreen!

the term "grunge" was puked out of somebodys mouth while watching nirvana. whatever.

nirvana was influenced by the beatles, 70's punk, and iron maiden.