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luckygeo

Oct 16, 2009 - CDT 8:47 PM
luckygeo
Member since:
July 2006
Hi Guys,

I have a question for you.

As I understand it, you can transmit the raw TrueHD bitstream over HDMI v1.3 only. What about older versions such as HDMI 1.2 or 1.1? I know if the source can convert the TrueHD bitstream into PCM, you can use older versions such as HDMI 1.1 or 1.2.

Thanks for your time.

George Lee
luckygeo@aol.com

Falcon01

Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 6:20 AM
Falcon01
Member since:
July 2006
If I remember correctly it goes a little something like dis...

If the source (bluray player) sends out the audio signal as PCM through HDMI then your receiver will play it as a PCM signal.

If the source can Bitstream the audio but your receiver does not have the Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD decoders then you have to use a player with RCA analogue outputs and connect them to the multi-channel inputs on the receiver. Otherwise, if you use HDMI instead, the receiver will output regular Dolby Digital or DTS audio.

Not as simple as it should be I know but hopefully I have it right.

bladerunner1

Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 12:01 PM
bladerunner1
Member since:
March 2008
why yes falcon..you have all dat correct.

however I am reading the question differently. it seeeems to me if the guy is wondering whether or not the actual 1.1-1.2 spec. HDMI CABLE will pass bitstream dolbly true hd/dts ma signals...

of which I am GUESSING that it would...
[Post edited by bladerunner1 on Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 12:14 PM]

Movielover316

Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 2:08 PM
Movielover316
Member since:
September 2006
As far as the actual cable I would say yes. There isn't anything I've read that says it wouldn't. Specs usually refer to the device itself either the player or TV or Receiver, not the cable. I could be wrong but like I said I haven't read anything that says it wouldn't.

luckygeo

Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 8:33 PM
luckygeo
Member since:
July 2006
That's funny, I'm under the impression everything must be in the HDMI 1.3 realm to transmit the raw bitstream for Dolby TrueHD (not necessarily so for DTS MA due to the "core extention" design for that codec). Of course, that would include the components (transmitting and receiving) and the cable itself. Here's a snippet of info from the HDTV magazine website:

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2006/04/multi-channel_a.php

Quote:
Hi-bit Audio Application to Hi-def DVD Formats

In September 23, 2004, Dolby Laboratories announced that the DVD Forum decided to include Dolby Digital Plus and MLP Lossless, the core audio technology behind multichannel DVD-Audio, as mandatory audio standards for HD DVD. Later, Dolby TrueHD was also selected as mandatory audio format for HD DVD. However, both Dolby formats were selected as optional audio formats for Blu-ray players. DTS-HD was declared as optional for the players of both Hi-def DVD formats.

According to Silicon Image, the HDMI transport is able to handle 24Mbps of audio speed, suitable for any of the proposed audio formats from either disc format, including DTS HD Master Audio. However, the version 1.3 HDMI specification would enable the players to output those audio formats over HDMI for them to be decoded externally, by a future A/V receiver capable to do so, for example, if one prefers so the protocols and specifications were finalized and available in June 2006.Dolby is working closely with Silicon Image to ensure transmission of Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD signals on HDMI v. 1.3.

As an alternative, HD players with internal hi-bit-rate decoders are expected to also have 6.1 or 7.1 analog outputs that could support the hi-bit-rate and be connected to receivers with 6.1 or 7.1 channel analog inputs.

Hi Def DVD, Using HDMI for Audio

In September 2005, Dolby announced that A/V receivers capable of processing PCM over their HDMI 1.1 inputs should also be able to have sufficient bandwidth to accept the HD video and the PCM multi-channel audio decoded by the Hi-def DVD player.

Any HDMI suited A/V receiver should be capable to input the PCM and reproduce the higher bandwidth of the soundtracks. Initially, it was believed that those HDMI 1.1 suited A/V receivers would have to use analog cables from the multi-channel audio connectors (as with DVD-Audio), and wait until specification version 1.3 of HDMI be completed (and eventually change to a 1.3 compliant A/V receiver).

According to Dolby, there should be no need to replace a receiver suited with HDMI 1.1 to get the benefit of the higher-bit audio formats. However, when using the latest HDMI version 1.3 from player to receiver, the decoding would not have to happen in the player, the connection would stream the native mandatory and optional audio formats to the HDMI 1.3 suited A/V receiver, which would perform the decoding job.

Reportedly, DTS intends to suit players as well as receivers with their decoders, Dolby was quoted as concentrating initially on players.

Hi-definition DVD disc players are expected to support Internet-streamed audio content (such as director's comments) while playing the movie, and they have to internally mix the various audio components (soundtrack, Internet, PCM sounds, etc) before converting the final audio mix to individual PCM channels to be output over the HDMI connection.

The newer hi-bit formats, Dolby Digital Plus lossy, Dolby TrueHD lossless, and DTS HD lossless (previously named DTS++ lossless, and now extended to Master Audio 24 Mbps), are much faster than the supported speed of typical digital coaxial connections (S/PDIF) used for the current legacy Dolby Digital and DTS multichannel audio formats, however, those legacy connections would still transport the down-converted legacy versions (derived from the hi-bit) produced by Hi-def DVD players.


Has something changed since the original spec? Has any tried to transmit via bitstream Dolby TrueHD with HDMI v1.0 -1.2?
[Post edited by luckygeo on Oct 17, 2009 - CDT 8:37 PM]

bladerunner1

Oct 18, 2009 - CDT 12:00 AM
bladerunner1
Member since:
March 2008
Has something changed since the original spec? Has any tried to transmit via bitstream Dolby TrueHD with HDMI v1.0 -1.2?-luckygeo

heck if I know! but I am curious as well. I remember reading everything you just posted back when all of that hdmi confusion was just getting started with all of the then confusing new audio codecs. I just tuned it out back then and waited for it to sort itself out. (i still haven't upgraded....don't really feel the need. very happy with my current setup) still though as a neat little "science" project, and to clear this very confusing issue up for future generations...somebody on here (cough..john?] should try using "old" hdmi cables v-.1@.2...and see what happens.

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