New Line drops HD DVD as well

As an HDDVD owner I am happy this may lead to the end of the HD format war.
Having the two separate formats is confusing to people who aren't reading their
"digital digests"

The Warner loss to the HDDVD camp could cause Toshiba to do something drastic like
cutting all HDDVD players below the $100 price point, but personally I'd rather them bow out and build a $200 Bluray player.

All this means to me is that I will have three disc drives for my Xbox360 one day.

but why would you even buy an X360.

x360 has no games and is a low powered and defective console.

KZ2,FF13,MGS4 are all ps3 exclusive.

BUY a PS3 ---u get a BLU RAY player as well as the most powerful console in the market.

Why play cartoon HALO 3 when you can play ultrarealistic UNCHARTED on PS3

PS3 vs X360---------thx AMIT PAUL for the post

**************************************************************************

INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

**********************************************************

CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
*********************************************************


IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http:/* mbers.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html *

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



*********************************************



IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

**************************************************

Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


********************************************************
Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

******************************************************


This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

*****************************************************

MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


******************************************************

CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

************************************************

Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

**********************************************

PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


****************************************************

CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


******************************************************

The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers

******************************************************


FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but anything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA

---

[Post edited by tanod on Jan 5, 2008 - CST 4:41 PM]

Wow talk about fan boy, Tanod.

360 is the best gaming system out there. Mass effect , Bio shock, Ninja Gaiden 2 is coming out soon. Halo 3, your just pissed you cant play it. Sony is purging money selling its system below cost, sure maybe the online service is supposed to be free but just what is the purpose of giving things away for free, its called selling your soul to he DEVIL. sooner or later you pay the piper.

I hope Godzilla really does attack Japan and eats SONY. hehe, whatever. geez theres enough Pie for everyone. If you buy a system and enjoy the games stop bagging on other peoples choice.
I'm sure this announcement by the studios will put a nail in the coffin of the xbox 360 built with HD drive though, no point.

why would i play cartoon HALO 3 when i can play KZ2 ?

not even the XBOTS play Halo3 anymore cuz they NOW play COD4 ---looks and plays much better despite being a multiplat game

PS3 is the best gaming device. We have Uncharted ---that makes anything on x360 look like a wii game,Heavenly Sword,Resistance,Motorstorm,NGS, Ut3,Ratchet etc even in 2007

Not to mention 2008 is solely SONY's year

The biggest games of this era --FF13 and MGS4 are all PS3 exclusive

PS3 FTW

x360 only fit for repair workshop

I love when a fanboy brings up Killzone 2. Wow, a sequel to an extremely mediocre game. Woot! Sign me up. And yeah, you can read review that say the same damn thing.

MGS? The ending of the Matrix was less confusing anymore. FF? Sucked since 9. As for your recent releases, only Uncharted and R&C are good games.

360 still rules the rest of the world beyond Japan, because those fools would have SONY stamped into their foreheads if they could they're so mindless.

I actually had to create an account to respond to this nonsense. The x360 has sold over 17 million untits. If you look at top ten game lists from last year the majority of games are playable on the 360. Xbox live is the dominate on line gaming experience. You appear to be a PS3 fan boy spewing out bad info to confuse the public.

well, look when they signed up. Anyone wanna bet they have an account on bluray.com?

x360 didnt sell 17.7 million units.

MS shipped 17.7m units

MS sold around 16m X360s

around 9m PS3s have been sold till date

http://www.vgchartz.com

x360's only battelground left is NA.

In EU and JAPAN PS3 outsells the x360 in terms of softwares and hardwares

However X360 will fully die this year in NA(north america) AS WELL

X360 without games is fit only for repair shop just like the defunct HD DVD


PS3 vs X360

****************************************************************************

INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

**********************************************************

CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
*********************************************************


IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http:/* mbers.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html *

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



*********************************************



IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

**************************************************

Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


********************************************************
Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

******************************************************


This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

*****************************************************

MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


******************************************************

CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

************************************************

Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

**********************************************

PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


****************************************************

CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


******************************************************

The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers

******************************************************


FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but anything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA

---

[Post edited by tanod on Jan 5, 2008 - CST 4:42 PM]

VGA charts aren't the best place for info but lets go with their numbers. Shipped 17.7 million (most sites say have sold 17.7 but whatever) You want to assume they have 1 million sitting on shelves seems a bit high to me. The interesting thing is the PS3 isn't gaining ground. It's selling better than it was, but not outselling the 360 yet.

Quote:
The biggest games of this era --FF13 and MGS4 are all PS3 exclusive

The biggest game of 2008 will be GTA4 bar none and the 360 version will be better because it has exclusive DLC content the PS3 doesn't. Actually It be out right now for the 360 if the PS3 wasn't a pain in the ass to program for forcing them to delay both as they want to release them at the same time.

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[Post edited by Movielover316 on Jan 5, 2008 - CST 11:18 AM]